Catching up

[Geoff]

My dear brothers and sisters,

Yesterday I spent three hours with Zara Borthwick and Nicholas, her partner in Melbourne. It was really lovely, but boy did I learn a lot. Only a few of you would know them, as they keep to them selves. This is what I learned.

About 12 years ago, they were running DL sessions three times a week, with up to 100 folks attending. They believe they would have given away over 400 copies of the Angelics. They had many spirit messages, and they also fully embraced Urantia. They found that folks new to spirituality accepted both Padgett and Urantia with no difficulty. But died in the wool UB'ers were not willing to accept Padgett. (Sounds very like some died in the wool Padgettites who can't see any value in Urantia?)

Nicholas believes only those folks embued with the Spirit of Truth are ever going to read either Urantia, or Padgett, and that these are the minority. He developed his own short booklet on how to receive the Divine Love, and that went down very well. He even ran a session at the Urantia conference on receiving Divine Love. It went down very well except for a few folks.

But today it is just the two of them. And Nicholas says he has been there and is not motivated to go there again. Three hours was not long enough, but I am sure we will catch up again.

Much love,
Geoff.

[doug]

Zara visited us here in Santa Cruz not long ago, and it was a delight meeting her. She told us some interesting stories, but didn't mention anything about Urantia teachings :)

I got the impression that she was focusing mainly on developing her ability to channel physical healings (which she seems to have a great gift for), rather than teach any particular doctrine.

She showed us Nicholas' pamphlet, which we thought was wonderful. I think somewhere on our long list of things to do, we were going to do a reprint of it, or something similar.

Zara explained that they were not computer people, which I suppose explains why they are not in touch on the Internet... We send them our love...

[Geoff]

My dear Doug,

I will certainly pass on your regards. I think that you are correct about their current stance. Nicolas says he has "done" public ministry. There are some untold stories I think, and naturally I could not probe too deeply on first meeting them. But their brother James was part of it, and he has gone "off the rails" which I think affected them both deeply. I have seen this sort of thing a few times, and am somewhat saddened/puzzled by it. The spiritual path can have big crevasses, it seems.

Much love,
Geoff.

[George]

Nice Geoff,

Well, just let them know its not just the 2 of them. :)

Turn them on to the different sites. On your lap top if they do not surf the net and let them know we grow stronger by the day!

It seems the Uranthia have many followers and that is great.
It would seem, in trying to describe and get a feel for the whole thing, that in some becoming aware of the Divine Love by prayer for the same, like the folks you mention here, have shared it with Uranthia followers and now you have a sort of a mix and at some point it created confussion and we all know that confussion only leads to chaos. hmmm... or something like that.

Many seem to come into the Truths and find the Fathers Divine Love and then continue to pray for it and progress. But it seems somehow that more than the many see, dab their feet a bit, maybe not deep enough... and turn the other way.

In Having the knowledge of Soul awakening & progression, you do not need to get someone to read The messages in order for them to experience the Divine.
Jesus has never said, you must read all of the messages and learn them first..... thank God. hehe
He did say that the way to the Kingdom is via earnest & sincere prayer to the Father for his Divine Love.

So if you have enough influence over a person, just via what you tell them may cause them to have the awakening.

Mind you, I say this with a great preference for giving you a book and letting you find it for yourself.
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Well, I am so happy for you that you have found Nicholas and Zara in your hometown or close by and im sure they will lead you to those have read and go by the Truths.

God Bless you Brother,
With Love,
George

[Kay Ann Ray]

Dear Folks,

I second Doug's statement that Zara was (and is) a delightful person, and quite a gifted healer. We enjoyed our approx. 3 hour visit with her, and shared some publications which she hadn't previously seen.

One of the things she said (which I understood very well, but wish it could be otherwise) was that they have learned to *be gentle* with the spiritual truths, trying to exemplify them in their lives, but do not make the first move; they wait until they are asked before they say anything about the truths they know.

I know that we cannot *push* the truths onto anyone, and that a person needs to be *seeking spiritual enlightenment* in order to learn and accept these wonderful teachings, but sometimes I just wish there was an easier way (maybe I wish there was a *magic way*) to reach suffering hearts with the truths about God's great Gift of Love!

We each can only do our best; and the angels tell us that the best way we have of helping others learn about *the Gift* is to exemplify It in our daily living. (So, that supports Zara and Nicholas' way of demonstrating the truths they have learned, experienced and are willing to share with seeking souls, when they express an interest in wanting to know.)

Keep up the good work, fellow truth-seekers! We are on the PathWay to the Celestial Heavens, and we each need to work on overcoming our own imperfections, in our own ways, in our own time. I have faith in the Power of God's Love to help us get-there, transformed into angels, in due time.

God bless you, each and every one. Your sister in Christ, Kathryn

[ccwk]

Dear Kay,

I believe as you say, that a person needs to be *seeking spiritual enlightenment * in order to learn and accept these wonderful teachings. I have a long commute home, from work, and many times I have shared the message of Divine Love with the person that would be sitting next to me on the train. It is so interesting how our conversations would begin because I allow the opportunity to present its self. Just last week, I found myself sitting next to a Presbyterian minister. As the train left the station, I noticed he was reading a book on desire and emotions in relationship to seeking a union with God. My heart began to beat a little faster as I wondered how best to start a conversation with this man. I asked the angels for help and I believe that they suggested that I make a commotion with my new cell phone. My cell phone makes a loud sound when I shut it off and also when I turn it on. I decided to turn my cell phone off and act as if though I mistakenly pressed the wrong button. Well, when I did this the surrounding commuters looked my way in alarm and I excused myself and apologized. The man next to me laughed and I told him that it was a new phone and that I don’t know how to use all of its features. He then made some funny comments on new technology and I used the comfortable interchange to remark that he was reading an interesting book. He showed me the back of the book to read the reviews and I started to talk about Divine Love. We had a wonderful exchange of thoughts on love and spiritual things. By the end of the 1 hour and 20 minute train ride, we were best of friends. We exchanged phone numbers and he said that he would look forward to sitting with me on the train, when he came to the city again.

[Kay Ann Ray]

Congratulations, cc, for your clever getting-attention antics! It seems to have worked quite well! What kind of inroads were you able to make with the Presbyterian Minister? It does appear that he is still *seeking* if he was reading a book about *desire and emotions in relationship to seeking a union with God.* Perhaps we could benefit from reading it, too; can you find out its title?

Sometimes, it seems that we need to make (instigate) our opportunities, not just wait for the other person to let us know that they are interested in what we have learned. (How would they know what we have learned if we keep quiet?)

My computer is acting strangely, so I will stop for now; I love you, cc, and am proud of you for understanding the truths so well.

Keep up your good outreaches and enthusiasm. With love, K

[ccwk]

Hi Kay,

I believe that I made some inroads with the minister. I was surprised that the minister had a unique focus on God’s Love for His children, but I believe that the minister was more impressed that there was a Substance of Divinity that was available to seeking souls. At first I thought that the minister had intellectual knowledge of the Divine Love but thru the course of our conversation I realized that the minister only perceived the Love of God as an emotion or affection for His children. He understood God’s Love to be an external force in contradistinction to a Divine Material or an Essence of a constitution of qualities that are of the Divine Nature of God. I think that the minister began to realize that that there is something more to/than believing that God loves us. I mean that God actually has a Divine Substance to bestow on us. Our talks began with the basics. We are soul and our Father is Soul. Our souls have qualities and are the seat of our emotions. I thought that I would start my introduction with desires and emotions since it was relevant to what the minister was reading about. And then our talks carried us from the soul all the way up to the finite mind of man. I was careful to make sure that I appealed to his intellect but I realized that he was a very loving man and an open one at that. He believed that man should continuously seek for the truth, or maybe he was just agreeing with me. I did most of the talking. He smiled and nodded. I told him to interject and to feel free to ask questions but most of the time he just smiled and insisted that I continue speaking. I did not get the name of the book he was reading, but I will make it a point to ask him, when we meet again. He did recommend a book entitled “Meeting Jesus again for the first time” by Marcus Bourg. And I recommended, “Love without end”. I told him that the next time we meet, I would recommend the greatest books I ever read. Of course you know what they are, right, sweet Kay? I felt that I have set the groundwork for our next meeting. I tried to not sound doctrinal and dogmatic in my presentation or appear imposing or pushy. I just let him see the love in my eyes for himself. I tried to keep it simple and I listened to my inner voice on what direction to take. I felt that the minister’s condition was fertile soil for the implanting of the Truths. I keep many copies of the Divine Love prayer in my brief case, so I gave him one and told the minister to place all his desires and emotions into it. He gave me his home phone number and I gave him mine and then we said goodnight. Love you Kay.

[doug]

Sounds like you are well guided, cc. In such a situation, I imagine that the Angels can see a person's mind structure, and know the exact sequence of thoughts needed to deliver the truth without triggering any of the mind's defenses. And I think you hit upon a very good strategy -- explaining in greater detail the nature of God's love...

It is also good that there are going to be breaks between your meetings, I think. It seems that frequently in people need long periods of time to mull these things over -- sometimes periods of years. So try to be patient with your new friend, so that he can come to realize that you are not trying to "convert" him (a major pitfall in the business of being a disciple:) ). It might be best to let him take the initiative for phone calls and such. But of course, you may "accidentally" meet again on the train sometime... ;)

[Geoff]

My dear cc,

I agree that you really did well. And Doug is right about breaks. Take my sister, she would not read Celestial Messages - Greg's book. Then when I told her about Arthur allowing me to talk to my mother, in Hawaii, she was extremely doubtful, perhaps even fearful. Suddenly, this week, she says "I was watching John Edwards on TV, and you know, I think he's pretty good. "

I was so astounded all I could say was "Yes he is doing a great job"

So, it definately takes time to break barriers.

Much love,
Geoff.

[ccwk]

Dear Doug and Geoff,

I so much agree with everything you said. I look forward to meeting you both in April so that we can share more of these things. I love you!