El Amor Del Padre.

[PIKARO]

Hola brothers in crucifix, I have an offer that I believe that sera beneficial for all and it is the following one.
Let's count(tell) our personal experience with the father, this way some kind of mas should understand the experience of the progress of the soul.
That this is a very personal topic of every uno.pero this gives a comprehension mas precise(necessary) in the communion with the father and brings over of his(her,your) truths,
I hope that this topic is approved by all ustesdes, my brothers in crucifix and open his(her,your) souls for the influence of the divine love.

Your brother in crucifix

PIKARO.

[victors]

Pikaro

Like noting/logging each experience/prayer in a book or diary? I don't know if I understand you correctly...

I think for personal use this will give the person some form of 'feedback'. I have been praying for Divine Love since December last year and have not kept a log of 'receiving' it. So for myself this might be a cheerful reminder of my progress. I do mark my channeling dates, but this is not the same.

On a negative note, as the Divine Love movement expands, people will try to use this in a negative way as it will be used (1) to prove that a certain person has not obtained a certain/required amound of DL and (2) people will falsify personal prayers to God as to obtain better standing in the DL communities. People are power hungry. The Catholic church is a good reminder of that.

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My second understanding of your message...
When I experience Divine Love inflowing it really moves me. I feel movement, see lights, feel good emotions etc... This might not be the way other people experience it. So if someone else does not feel the same things it DOES NOT mean that the person is not also receiving Divine Love.

Again people can be nasty. If so-and-so did not experience it in so-and-so way then they did not get DL. And so-and-so only prayed 1280 times for DL so he/she is not as well progressed as some-other-dude that prayed 5890 times for DL (according to his diary) and he/she also didn't have the same experience.

We all experience different things differently. My wife hates suger in coffee and I hate coffee without suger. If I start telling everybody that the true way to drink coffee is to put 2 teespoons of suger in coffee then all 'true' coffee drinkers will start to discriminate against my wife, who only experiences coffee in a different way.

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A while back I saw a program on TV about an American teenage evangelist. In fact I saw this same kid even a few years before that, almost shown as a super child prodigy. He preached like the devil was about to devour him and all along with him and people flocked to see and hear him. In the last program I saw about him (really can't remember his name), they said they think that he might be autistic. Now this placed a damper of a possible mental disorder on the whole picture. How about Jimmy Swaggart and his fling with the prostitute. Billy Graham is still squeeky clean. How about the Pope? Or Bishop Tutu here in South Africa? I am not talking about Divine Love over here, only being a good orthodox Christian. Who is the best? Who slipped into 2nd place? Who did not make it?

In the spiritual world our progress will be well defined by soul progression and the law of attraction. Over here we do not have a gauge showing us a DL level or are we doing it right or wrong. We cannot gauge ourselves against other people. If an evangelist slips in doing a 'sin' are the remainder of the people now better than him?

I am going to answer the question, that I am going to ask in a new thread from a different angle, and that is that the Divine Love experience is between you and God. It is like riding a bicycle, you just need someone to help you get up, the rest is all(natural) up to you. Our job is just to get the people 'up on the bicycle' with a few pointers.


Love you all

Victor Schutte

[victors]

Pikaro

Just another thing... Can you please write both Spanish and English (translated) when writing short messages?

I live at the southern tip of Africa and my Spanish experience is limited to the bearded 'gringo', drinking Tequila, that Hollywood portrays in movies. I think many people, like me, would also like to learn a language like Spanish better. So if you have problems with English, write it in Spanish as well and I will have a new excuse to buy yet another dictionary.

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En as daar enige Afrikaanssprekende persone daar buite is wat graag wil hê dat ek sekere engelse gedeeltes vir hulle moet vertaal laat maar weet, dan doen ek maar so'. Geoff, ek dink jy kan hierdie verstaan, ne'?
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We have 11 official languages in South Africa (like Afrikaans above) and it is sometimes weird when you see two native black people and they can't understand each other. Most white people can't understand black people in anycase, and then you wonder why we have racial tension...


Well enough of this.

Victor Schutte

[George]

Dear Pikaro,

Well, go ahead. Good idea. empieza tu.

George

[victors]

Sorry, it is me again....

Please clear this up for me "El (?) Amor (Love) Del (? of ) Padre (Father)" = "The Love of the Father" ???

Victor Schutte

[doug]

Well, this is the problem of words ;-) Did Pikaro mean "count" or "tell." Completely different meanings! I think he simply meant "tell."

And "Your brother in crucifix" was of course intended to mean "Your brother in Christ" :D

Unfortunately these translation programs don't yet seem to be smart enough to deal with such subtle (and not so subtle) distinctions, and so, despite our desire to share, we may have difficulty with multi-language discussions...

But our love, of course, is not limited in this way... ;)

Doug

[Hans]

The Father's Love.

Hello, brothers in Christ, I have a suggestion to make that I believe would be beneficial for all, and it is the following:

Let's tell our personal experience with the Father, so we should understand better the experience of the soul's progress.

This is a very personal topic for each and every one, but this gives us a more precise comprehension of the communion with the father and makes clear His Truths.

I hope that this subject is approved by all of you, my brothers in Chirst, and may open your souls to the inflowing of the Divine Love.

Your brother in Christ,

PIKARO.


El Amor Del Padre.

Hola, hermanos en Cristo:

Tengo una sugerencia que creo será beneficiosa para todos, y es la siguiente:

Contemos nuestra experiencia personal con el Padre, para así comprender mejor la experiencia del progreso del alma.

Éste es un asunto muy personal para cada uno, pero nos da una comprensión más precisa en la comunión con el Padre y nos esclarece Sus Verdades.

Espero que este tema sea aprobado por todos ustedes, mis hermanos en Cristo, y que abra sus almas al influjo del Amor Divino.

Su hermano en Cristo,

PIKARO.

Hola pïcaro:

Creo que esto fue más o menos lo que escribiste originalmente. No te preocupes, te entendemos (casi) perfectamente.

Quiero sugerirte también, en el caso de que tengas interés, que visites la página web http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/padgett-e/, donde tenemos un pequeño grupito de hispanoparlantes. Se trata de una lista por correo sobre los mensajes Padgett.

A propósito: Al usar traductores automáticos, tendrás cuidado con poner meticulosamente tildes y espacios, de no hacerlo, el programa se hace trizas ;)

Que Dios te bendiga siempre,

Hans

[PIKARO]

Hola de nuevo.creo que en mi primer intento de abrir un foro de debate no he tenido mucho exito
(al parecer no se me ha entendido y por mi traductor se a desvirtuado el significado de mi propuesta)
respondiendo a la verdad ,quiero decir que Hans a sabido captar el mensaje que he querido dar,yo nunca he pretendido poner niveles ni jerarquias a los hermanos en el amor divino
como veo que a entendido Victors,(nada mas lejos de mi intencion)si no,que mi intencion a sido que expliquemos metodos de rezo o experiencias en el amor divino,para asi fomentar nuevas formas de rezar y llegar a tener mas prespectiva en el amor divino.

confiando en haber aclarado la intencion de mi mesaje
vuestro hermano en el amor divino

PIKARO.

[PIKARO]

Hola of nuevo.creo that in my first attempt of opening a forum of debate I have not had very much success
( Apparently I have not been understood and for my translator to spoilt the meaning of my offer)
Answering to the truth, I want to say that Hans to could catch the message that I have wanted to give, I have never tried to put either levels or hierarchies to the brothers in the divine love
Since I see that understood Victors, (not beyond(farther,further) at all of my intention) if not, that my intention to been that we explain methods of prayer or experiences in the divine love, this way to foment new ways of praying and managing to have mas prespectiva in the divine love.

Counting on having clarified the intention of my mesaje
Your brother in the divine love

PIKARO.

[George]

Hermano Pikaro,
http://mx.groups.yahoo.com/group/padgett-e/

Le quite la coma que puso de mas Hans.

Esta de mas decir que estas mas que bienvenido aca.

En el site que refiere Hans encontraras gente de habla Ispana que tanbien como tu y you han encontrado el Amor Del Padre.

Tu Hermano en Cristo,

Jorge

[Jackie]

Thank you Hans and Pikaro,

I have been trying to relate some of my experiences here on the forum, in the hopes of encouraging others to do the same, but sadly it has not occured. I have also tried to start quotes (under Poetry) to encourage continued reading and re-reading of the messages, for what I didn't grasp or understand on the first reading, I may on the second, third, fourth, etc.

This is why I asked if there would be testimonies at the DLF retreat. I find great joy in hearing of others "love" experiences and I believe they can be great teachers as well. I do not guage a person's "yardstick" of Divine Love by a person's unique experience. There is no basis for this.

If I should offend someone by my words of love and sincerety, then perhaps the problem lies not with me but with the offended.
If I should state something incorrectly, I welcome correction, at which point I would verify with God.

One of the very first things taught to me after beginning my Divine Love pathway is this: "In Love, fear cannot exist." I do keep a journal of my pathway. God and His plan of salvation is so important to me that I want something left for my child and anyone else who may benefit from my journey in the event I should pass on. For my little one is only four and I am approaching fifty.

It is my hope that as we grow closer to God, we will also grow closer together as the DIVINE LOVE family. I don't see distance and separation to other parts of the planet as a deterrent, for here we are on our forum.

I love you all very much!
jackie

[victors]

Jackie

After reading your message I asked my wife to buy me a diary. I hope my progression will show through how I live my life and my relationship with God. If I should die before I can teach my children they can read it and try to follow my example.

Love you all

Victor Schutte