Weird experience during prayer...

[victors]

Hi everybody

For the last week or so I have prayed differently. After 'making the connection' with God I pray for something else as well. I believe, and with corroboration from other spiritual contacts, that words are alive. Not words on paper but more the commanding though types of words like "silence please" and then everybody goes silent. Words and thoughts tend to manifest themselves when backed up with faith and feeling.

The new part of my prayer is (translated)"Make my mind still/quite", in order to calm my intellectual side which is forever trying to analyze everything. After that I then pray for the opening of my soul for the inflowing of Divine Love. Those words actually work. The last few months I try to go tho bed earlier to pray (only quite time I have). I almost never fall asleep before my normal 23h00 time. The last two nights were particularly different. As I repeat the quitening request of my mind (as to only perceive with my soul) 'I' go away. I can't describe it as sleep because if I snap out of it I am still wide awake. I still perceive a widening of vision, lights flowing down (with my eyes open or closed), sometimes a falling or moving feeling and physical pressure on my body.

The thing is when I snap out of it I am still praying (even more desperately) for Divine Love. It is like I went on automatic pilot. I feel wonderful afterwards and only then I go into a deep sleep.

Last night was intense. When I snapped out of it I wanted so much to recollect what I saw and experienced, but I still can't. I remember vivid colours and it was like I was standing infront of a panel of people. I was given information but my mental/intellectual side cannot retrieve it. But yet I felt good. This happened twice.

The first prayer session was interrupted by my wife. She was already asleep when she murmured "AFR: Jy is 'n wonderlike mens""Eng: You are a wonderful person". I jumped upright and asked her "what did you say" and she repeated it very clearly. This is the same woman that did not notice that I stopped swearing 5 months ago, my attitude had changed and who keeps on complaining that I don't have enough time for the family. Should I take this as a sign? I don't know. It is just weird that when I am in a deep state of prayer that my wife suddenly start speaking in her sleep.

The second prayer session was the intense one. I don't even know how to describe it.

My problem now is that since last night I am obsessed with Divine Love. I can't stop thinking about it. It is like, damn, I will only have private time again tonight. I don't even think I can describe it as a soul longing. That description feels to weak for me. It is more like a constant craving, exceeding the combined feeling of all the cravings for food or all the girls I was in love with and wanted to be with etc...

But some doubt remains. Is this Divine Love? Did I only have several repeated vivid dreams (with partial loss of memory)? Is this a case of self-hypnotism?

After my second session I did dream. The dream(s) I can remember in detail. At one stage I was recollecting a memory when a friend and I had to pull off the highway for a mechanical problem. In the dream I dreamt that after getting back on the highway my friend tried to cross the busy highway (4 lanes) cutting across cars and trucks going 60mph+. Almost reaching the 3rd lane I saw a white car coming and thought if he goes through with this we will die, but I felt calm because my soul was in good condition and that this could happed and I was not afraid of dying. My friend suddenly swerved left and we avoided the accident.

So how come I remember 5 hours of dreaming and not 2 hours of praying?

Love you all

Victor Schutte

[DTNguyen]

Hi Victor,

Thank you for sharing. In your prayer, did you pray for your wife and family for Divine Love? Or perhaps, her soul was awaken or responding to the Divine Love energy in your heart?

May I share mine. Two things happened to me as I prayed/meditated last week. First, as I calmed my mind, I prayed for God's Love and felt the warmth in the heart area (have been feeling this way for sometime). Then I prayed for the opening of all my 'chakras' or energy levels. Then I felt the energy accumulated in my body to the point I felt every cell in my body vibrated .. so much energy building up. My mind was started to analyze what was going on when the thought said not to analyze or to stop what I was doing and just feel the energy and observe and to allow the energy to reveal itself. I observed the color changes and slowly the energy revealed itself as a negative energy from an incidence happened some 12 years ago. After that, my thought was, please God please help remove this from me. I could feel the energy dissipated almost like broken into pieces as it fell down-ward and into the earth. I felt very at peace and grateful. Opened my eyes and moved around for a few minutes.

I sat down again to pray and to meditate. When my mind was calmed, (each time felt like transitioned into a different realm) I started to see colors changed from one to the next. Then I saw two hands, together and opened, and there was something in the middle of the hands as it extended towards me, as though given. My eyes were closed but I could see very clearly the shape and colors of the object in between the hands. I (physically) brought my hands together, opened just like what I was seeing in my mind's eyea nd extended forward towards the hands. The hands were above my hands then it separated to drop the object down into my hands. I pulled my hands back to my chest and looked down (with my mind's eye) to see it close-up, the shape and colors. I brought it to my mouth and felt it went into me. As soon as I did that, I saw the hands again, this time with something else in it. I did the same motion to retrieve it and took it into my being. Then I thought maybe I should keep track of how many times and what they were. But a thought entered that meant not to do that, but to stay calm. This repeated about 6 or 7 times. The third or fourth time, the object was spherical, yet gasous in form since it kinda floated in my hands and when I took it in, I breathed it in. The following few, the objects were placed in my hands and as I brought it back to me, it floated up to/above my head and went in that way.

After that, I saw a sphere like form appeared in front of my mind's eye. But this time I did not retrieve it like before but just watched it. When it was over, I thanked God and whoever that I don't know. The thought was very pleasant, but I don't know what it's all meant.

The following day, I saw different faces and people with (again) my mind's eye. One particular person was with his back to me. I asked with my thought for him to turn around so I could see his face. But he did not turn around. He was bald and did not wear any shirt which revealed marking on his back and a marking on the back of his head, on the right side and just above the neck. Then a sphere like appeared and an incredible beam of light shot out from the sphere at 45 degree angle to my left as I looked directly at it (with my mind's eye of course.) The beam was bright red with purpleish with tings of white/gold like light. It beamed out at about 45 degree angle and rotated towards me. I observed the light and saw it beamed directed into my forehead, between my eyes and that was all.

I don't believe it was my imagination. Does this make any sense to anyone?

With much love.

[Jackie]

Dear victor,

I feel inadequate to the task of answering these questions and can only relate my own experiences in the hopes that you will find some recognition or perhaps answers.

I understand your craving for the Divine Love. This to me is the "leaven in the dough" spoken of in the messages. When I began actively pursuing God's great gift, my thoughts and desires became transformed. Worship only on Sunday (or not at all) became worship daily and I love it! As time went on these desires increased and continue to do so to this very day. But I also recognized that the Divine Love was not God in totality, but rather a power. My true "craving" then was for God, for a close and personal relationship with Him, to not only know His Truths, but to have them integrated into my very being, to eradicate sin and gain forgiveness, to align my free will with His Will, to receive His essence and be transformed; shall I go on? This power, this Divine Love allows these things to become a reality.

Last week I fell asleep with that physical Divine Love manifestation of the tightness or pressure in the chest area. I woke several times throughout the night and marvelled that
it was still going on. Other times, I have fallen asleep singing a song (in my head) to God and woke the next morning still singing that very song. I have awakened many times receiving "teachings" that I knew were "angelic" in nature, but rarely can I catch but a few words before it is erased from memory. I did catch one in a dream last week though and posted it in "Quotes".

I believe nothing happens by chance and that if we truly open our eyes we can see much more communication going on than we might otherwise be aware of. For example, before I began this wonderful path of Divine Love, I can remember one day in particular receiving many "signs". I don't recall the actual details but it went something like this. As I was driving I saw a bumper sticker, "God is Love". Then a sign on a church, "Come worship with God." At the grocery store, a stranger out of the blue says, "May God bless you in all you do today." Then I come home and flipping through the television channels come to a preacher quoting, "Love one another as I have loved you." And there were more, but you get the idea. So I marvel not at what your wife mumbled in her sleep. It seems to be quite in accord with what I have experienced over the years.

Well now I have become long-winded and I apologize. I love you and am curious as to how your little one is doing.
jackie

[Jackie]

I need to clarify what I meant by "My true "craving" then is for God". Craving is not an appropriate word for it can easily be associated with longing. So I "crave" (long for) the Divine Love, but I "worship" God. I do not worship the Divine Love as God, but rather long for the Divine Love as that great gift of power that allows my relationship with God to be what He meant for it to be.

I feel better now.
Love jackie

[victors]

Don

If I could zip over to Texas and hug you I would because you just described in very much detail what I experienced last night. I just sent a private email to Bert describing some of it and if it is appropriate to post such details on internet.

Last night's session was again very intense and pleasureable and I believe that some of the things I see and experience will lift a few eyebrows if I post it on internet.

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Jackie

I understand what you are trying to say.

Most 'funny' docters will probably say that I am developing an obsession, but hey, what a way to go.

My two children are doing fine. Marius in doing well after hospital and his little sister just keeps on ticking. My wife is ill now, also with gastro, but it looks like a mild case.

Actually everything is going very well. Thanks for the interest.


Love you all

Victor Schutte

[PIKARO]

Hola brothers in the divine love, this message is only to say, that this type of debate was the one that I try to expose in my previous message.
I want to give them thanks to victor for having exposed it, since I believe that these personal experiences of each one as for the prayer(sentence) us can be of benefit to all sharing them here in the forum

It(He,She) hurts that I could not communicate with you (for the language) as to my me gustaria, but I if I benefit from the messages that you write.

With very much love

PIKARO.

[PIKARO]

Hola hermanos en el amor divino, este mensaje es solamente para decir ,que este tipo de debate fue el que yo intente exponer en mi anterior mensaje.
Quiero dar las gracias a victor por haberlo expuesto,ya que creo que estas experiencias personales de cada uno en cuanto a la oracion nos pueden beneficiar a todos compartiendolas aqui en el foro

lastima que no me pueda comunicar con ustedes(por el idioma)como a mi me gustaria,pero yo si me beneficio de los mensajes que ustedes escriben.

con mucho amor

PIKARO.

[victors]

Pikaro

I think I know what you are saying. I am just always scared that someone, in the future, will use these experiences against us.


Victor Schutte

[Jase]

Victor,

In your first post you described having feeling falling or moving sensations and even physical pressure on your body.

Well having had a phase of my life where I was really into out-of body experiences and such and read a lot of books and even tried it for myself I can safely say that these are the feelings of your spirit body moving or preparing to seperate from your physical body.

As I am sure you know quite a few of the Padgett messages refer to his spirit body leaving his body when he sleeps and there are indeed many books on the issue of OBEs that try to prove this.

The most probable time then that the spirit body will leave the body (and you being aware of it) would be if you had gone into trance and your physical body was asleep.

So, my opinion is that you went into a trance and your spirit body stirred (can't think of any other word to describe it).

Well I learned this from a book known as Astral Dynamics, I highly recommend reading it as even though the author (Robert Bruce) does not know about the truths and has some false beliefs. It is highly entertaining relating his experiences to your knowledge.

Well if your interested his site is www.astralpulse.com or you can buy it from Amazon.com

With great love to all,
Jase

[victors]

Jase

Thanks, I will have I look.

Victor Schutte