Physical manifestations during and after prayer

[victors]

Hi everybody

In the beginning, when I started praying for Divine Love, I visualized how It entered through my head. Later on I noticed a tightning of my chest while praying. Now I, and others I talked to, experience 'pressure' chest pains afterwards, especially the next day. It does not hurt, it is just a very noticeable pressure on the chest cavity. BTW, I am in perfect health. When I bought insurance for property the insurance company sent me for a complete physical and I am very healthy.

If I skip my 'heavy' prayer session there is no pain.

So does anybody else experience this, and if so why does this happen?


Love you lots

Victor Schutte

[Jackie]

Thank you victor for bringing this up. There have been times when the physical sensation has differed in quality, strength and length of time. And many times when I felt nothing at all, yet my soul longings were what I believed more intense than other times.

Then for a week or more I felt nothing at all. When I questioned my Celestial Guide about this, she said, "Do you need to physically feel the Divine Love entering your soul? Can you not see it's workings in your daily life?"

I pondered on this and wondered, "How do those in the spirit world experience the receipt of God's Love, for they have no physical body like ours, but a spiritual body of "sublimated material" that we cannot grasp with our minds?"

And so I first went to God, and such was my concern, that during prayer, I had a moment of panic, and cried out, "I could not bear to lose You!" And he sent a loving angel to say in part these words,

"You are not lost, my child.
I see...I know....I hear....I give.
Fear not."

This comforted me greatly and I was led to a message where another had questions about this very issue.

From Mary the mother of Jesus:

"Because you have not had a physical manifestation of this Love as It becomes a part of your soul does not negate Its presence and the fact that It has become a part of you. Your prayers are sincere, and it is the sincere prayer that brings such a response as you have received from God."

Thoughts?
jackie

[Jackie]

PS. This is one of my journal entries dated May 3, 2003. All other entries appear to coincide with questions and issues posed here on the forum.

This is further evidence that we are not only being guided from the spiritual realm individually, but as a group as well.

We are the children of the Kingdom of God and all are welcome!

How lovely!
jackie

[victors]

Jackie

she said, "Do you need to physically feel the Divine Love entering your soul? Can you not see it's workings in your daily life?"



I totally agree with that. My life has made a 180 degree turn in the last few months, sensations or not.

But..., at first, I thought that DL must flow into my head somewhere. I did not expect expect my chest. I did not expect any lingering sensation. Hey, maybe I am getting sick.

I think I will call it "The Divine Love Hangover...". ;-)

What I do realize is that Divine Love is still God's Love towards us and not "Fill me up with 93% octane please ....".

Victor Schutte

[Jackie]

Oh, victor, you make me giggle. I just love reading your posts.

In conversation at the retreat, I seemed to remember someone saying that they thought maybe the physical manifestation might be just the sensation of the soul's longings. Hmmm.....

Indeed, I experienced physical manifestation even before I ever read of this occuring with others. Hmmm...

Hugs,
jackie

[Jase]

Hey people,

I am new to the website but I was just wondering if any of you actually feel tingling sensations in the heart area when praying, I wonder whether this is just my imagination as sometimes I unconsciously focus on it and have to pull my attention back to praying to God and not my heart. LOL

any suggestions

[victors]

Jackie

Giggle? One must have a good sense of humor...

The longing feeling is a mix between waiting for the girl of your dreams to be dropped off at the movies (at age 16), her parents checking you out, you feeling lucky and a shining feeling. The last part is difficult to explain as I feel like I am radiating upwards, well everywhere. As I sit here I can feel it in even in my finger tips. I am in a constant feeling/state of anticipation.

When I pray (only for the last month or so) I feel like a Hover vacuum cleaner sucking up something that falls towards me like a waterfall. Sometimes I can clearly see it with my eyes open or closed. The 'absorbtion' is again aimed at my chest area, but during this state it does not feel like it is directed to my physical body. The weird thing is that I feel really empty, in fact that I have so much space for this inflowing that I cannot ever be filled. I have tried to pray for long periods but it is like something else forms a barrier and, although my soul can take much more, the portal becomes 'blocked' and I then experience a dull pain in my chest. The feeling is more like a constant pressure, like something is inside me trying to get out while something from the outside is pushing in. It feels like I have to breath very deeply, but more air does not help.

Afterwards and the next day I feel this constant pressure. As someone else also told me the sensation actually does not occur in the same place everytime. It is not like a heart cramp, rib fracture or muscle spasm. It is just something holding me. To give you an idea how it feels think of when you swallow potato fries to quickly. As the muscles contract there is to much food, which also moves to slowly, and it causes a dull, semi-painful sensation as the food is forced to your stomach. Now this is what I feel all around my rib cage, although it is not nearly as painful as what I have just described. Again I must state that I am in perfect health.

Whenever I consciously long for Divine Love then the dull sensation, along with the first longing sensation, is increased. The best way to describe this is by feeling your muscles hurt everytime you move after being to the gym, reminding you that you have infact did exercise and to tune up your posture.

This whole process causes a feedback reaction. I long, pray, receive, feel sensation, consciously remember to long, pray, receive etc......

Divine Love is all I think about. Yes I love God and want Him to hold me but it is like I can't think of anything else. It is my connection with Him, the special Thing we share.

It is getting progressively more intense everytime, to the point I think that I will want to shed my body.

Well this graphical description only scratches the surface of what I feel and experience, but I hope it will give you some insight to some of my feelings and emotions.


Well, if I do have a heart attack and die (which is unlikely for now) I will see you on the other side... :-)

Love you very much

Victor Schutte

[DTNguyen]

Dear Victor and all,

May I share my thought on the question. When our soul incarnate into the flesh, the soul energy is higher than the quantum energy of elements that make up our body. This higher soul energy holds the earthly elements together that we call life. For without it, the earthly matters will disintegrate and return back to its elemental forms.

When we pray, not only do we suppress the thought energy of the mind, but we raise and focus our soul intention and thus, synchronize our soul energy with that of God and for God. In other words, we express our love for God. In loving God, we open our soul and embrace God Divine Love energy that has always emanated to all His children as Jesus taught us that the Kingdom (or Love) of Heaven (or God) is at hand. The Divine Love energy is higher than the energy of our soul and of our body that we feel it inside us or in the chest area where our soul resides. This much higher energy of the Divine also causes the vibration of the earthly elements that make up our body. It raises the awareness of the soul and restores our soul to truly recognize who we truly are that we are soul and the I AM that has no name. And that we are not just earthly matters and the function of the body is to serve the soul or to help the soul focus its intention during its infancy state of incarnation. When we truly recognize that we are soul, our awareness will change or enlarge and our intention will change. We will recognize our true purpose and the Will of our Divine Father. Our intention will then be in harmony with that of our Father.

On a different note, I don't like the word worship for worship carries a distance between us and our Father. Our Father does not want us to worship Him. He wants us to LOVE HIM.

In His Love and yours.

[DTNguyen]

Dear all,

When I studied chemistry back in college, higher energy can be used to excite electron on the outer orbital of an element to a higher energy state. Eventually, the excited electron will go back to its normal state and the process, it emitted a photon or light, thus, my thought as described in earlier message.

The obtaining of the Divine Love energy raises the energy of our soul resulted in higher awareness. In the process, it effected our physical body. As our awareness increases, it also increases our physical senses.

Am I too off in my perception?

With much love to all.

[Amada Reza]

Dear DN,

I agree wholeheartedly with your concept here, described in terms of energy. It clarifies for me why the embryo cannot survive without the incarnation of the soul. As a "higher life form" we humans are blessed with the gift of soul, that "extra life" that connects to the highest energy of the universe - Divine Love.

It seems that when we practice connecting with God and all creation with our soul nature in ascendancy that we tap into our most purposeful potential. I am always amazed to learn that we only use a fraction of our brain capacity!

I agree that worship carries a bit of that sense of awe that does not accurately define God's Loving Nature. Loving God is more warm and fuzzy. :-)

Love to you, dear brother,

Amy

[Kay Ann Ray]

Dear Jase,

Welcome to our Divine Love group. It seems to me that every person has his or her own special experience in receiving Divine Love. I sometimes felt there was something wrong with me because I didn't feel any sensations in my physical body when praying; like perhaps I wasn't receiving God's Grace.

I do feel tingling sensations along my body at times. But, as someone else mentioned, which corresponds to the conclusions I have reached, I have noticed changes in my life for the better. I am certain that God has answered my prayers for Divine Love.

Keep up your sincere prayers and you will continue to progress spiritually. We are very blessed to know about this wondrous Gift; the angels tell us that the best way we have of sharing the Good News with others is to *exemplify* the Love in our lives.

We greet you with hugs and welcome your participation.

Your new friend, Kathryn

[Jase]

Dear Kathryn,

Thankyou, wow you people are all so nice.

It was only yesterday that I posted the tingling sensations and now over night it has changed into more of a pressurized feeling in my heart area like I have read so much about.

I am just going to keep praying and forget about the sensations as I can surely feel gods gift working in my life, changing me for the better

I look forward to progressing in gods love with you all,

With Love, Jase

[Jase]

Dear all,

I was wondering if everyone feels the way I feel when I pray for faith, as I find it very strange and cannot tell whether it is just in my mind, heres what happens,

I start praying for more faith, unwavering, unshakable etc, and then its like everything goes blurry for about 5 seconds and when I come out of it its like my faith is fully recharged,

Its hard to explain what I mean but the only word that I can seem to explain it is blurry, its like I just fade out for a few seconds and then im back feeling more faithful in the father than ever before.

anyone else had any experiences similar to this.

With love to all,
Jase

[DTNguyen]

Hi Jase,

You think these people are so nice. Although I have not met any of our brothers and sisters of the DLF here, but from what I have heard, they are much nicer in person. :-)

Maybe one day soon I will meet them all. In the mean time, each of us continues our exemplifying the Love.

As for your experience among with many, I find it very difficult to describe and explain things because and perhaps these things are not yet a part of this world perceived reality, thus a lack for words.

However, I do not believe what you felt was your imagination. I do believe that everything that we can feel and/or see is something and very real. If I may suggest the next time try use your mind to acknowledge 'the feeling' that it does exist but do not try to reason or understand (this is not easy to do for we have been trained very well to do with our mind), but just keep your heart (soul) open and feel or see it with the power of your heart (soul). I think by doing this, it makes it easier for our spiritual guilds or angels to help reveal to us what it is that we need to know.

Our Father loves us very much and He Loves us to know Him and know Him well.

Thank you for sharing and with much love.

[Amada Reza]

Hello Jase,

I would sincerely love to meet you and DN someday. There is nothing like a divine love hug. :-)

I agree that what you feel when you pray for faith is real - it may even be what is most real. When I read the word "blurry" I get the impression that as we acknowledge our soul through love and faith, we willfully employ other senses and thoughts that are different from those we use to interact with our material world. It is as if in that moment of prayer we "shut off" our conception of what is "real" and plug into another reality that is not only perceptible, but tugs at us to follow it deeper and deeper into what, we don't know.

It is as if my soul nature is another "me" that I must come to know, and the only way this is possible is to blur the physical/emotional identity that society has encouraged me to adopt. For the first time I get an image of myself as God might see me - a beloved creature who instantly recognizes her relationship to eternal Love.

How blessed to know that we are not alone as we follow this rabbit trail of love! :-)

Much love to you, dear friends,

Amy

[Jase]

DN and Amy

Thanks very much for your replies they are most helpful, from now on I will try to acknowledge but not try to understand all these sensations as I hope that by just giving in to this "blurring" I will be able to experience more of what is happening to me and as we all know understanding comes with soul development.

Keep praying and manifesting the love

I look forward to that divine love hug

love you all

Jase

[victors]

Jase

I think what we are experiencing is what a blind person will experience when given the opportunity to see again. When the veil is lifted you might see blotches of light. The docter might say here, look, red Porche, or look at the beautiful sunset. You will see blurry things. The images will only become beautiful later, when you can see them clearly and understand them.

When I see energy flowing from above or images appearing they sometimes appear blurry when they are 'new'. The more I understand the 'visual' picture the clearer they become. I have recently seen images so clear, when praying, that it seems scary. I feel so insignificant when I visualize these images because they appear gigantic.

So while we emerge from this world, seeing the next, you will see things the way a blind person would. We all see different things, which is a good thing otherwise it may be attibuted to a fault in the brain...


Love you all

Victor Schutte