Thats Just Darn Great.

[Lord Revan]

I just came from a Spiritualist meeting.

I got Kicked out because i have apparently 2 Evil spirits hovering around me

They simply stopped the reading, i was suppose to contact my guides, then the medium told me she has never felt such an evil before, she made me feel scared, i was shaking througout the whole preperation part. Then she simply said NO, i will not do this and they forced me to leave.

Then i asked her, how i can have 2 evil guides, i thought Judas was my guide (Amy told me in paltalk). She said Judas is one of the evil ones and that i have an ego.

So they kicked me out and here i am, dased shaken and seriously confused. Nobody ever treated me that badly before, not even the christians, and this from spiritualist like myself.

This is just darn great.

[Lord Revan]

you know i feel so bad right now that i just want to take a bread cutting board and a soldering iron and burn the letters of the alphabet on that boad and hold an Ouija board session right now, i am sick of hoping that other people like those pesky mediums in that room, will contact my spirit guides or and spirit near me.

really i just feel so abandoned right now and alone it's just not even funny anymore.

This earth plane sucks.

[Geoff]

Dear Donovan,

Then i asked her, how i can have 2 evil guides, i thought Judas was my guide (Amy told me in paltalk). She said Judas is one of the evil ones and that i have an ego.

Actually your second post gives more of a clue. When you have such wildly fluctuating emotions, you can expect to attract both good and bad. But you won't get far telling spiritualists that Judas is your guide. They are all of the opinion he is in hell. Sad.

Could you have negative spirits around you? Yes you could. Think of all the wild emotional episodes you have told us about. What about Judas? Well it could still be true he is your guide, trying to help you. If you give up, you will not advance. It is up to you to pull out of the earth plane.

I do wonder if what Victor said is not also possibly true. Have you always had such wild emotional swings, or is it only in the last few years? My sister was bi-polar, so I know a little about it.

Much love,
Geoff.

[seastar]

aww ((((((((((((Lord Revan))))))))))))))

you not alone and there is so much love that surrounds you aswell as that within.

And I hope that what I say will cast away the doubts that were not that of spiritual love.

I have formed many good friendships from those of spiritualism beliefs, each unique and yet equal. Only bringing forth love and light, even within an open circle.

A true medium does not work in the manner that you have sadly experienced. For they do not bring forth any negative energy nor give advice, information that is of negative intent to the sitter.

Mediums do not turn away or shun people who have doubts and or fears of the presence around them from dark shadows /negative energies. Mediums will help with what they say 'guiding towards the light' as well as help with what is called 'protection' (that of white light). Also mediums work with their guides/angels which they can use as a sort of filter for any spirits to come through.

Lord Revan, if can give you some 'spiritualist' links that will give you guidance as to restoring any negative spirits you now may fear with those of love and light.

[Lord Revan]

Geoff you mean this

What Are the Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder?

Bipolar disorder causes dramatic mood swings—from overly "high" and/or irritable to sad and hopeless, and then back again, often with periods of normal mood in between. Severe changes in energy and behavior go along with these changes in mood. The periods of highs and lows are called episodes of mania and depression.
Signs and symptoms of mania (or a manic episode) include:

* Increased energy, activity, and restlessness
* Excessively "high," overly good, euphoric mood
* Extreme irritability
* Racing thoughts and talking very fast, jumping from one idea to another
* Distractibility, can't concentrate well
* Little sleep needed
* Unrealistic beliefs in one's abilities and powers
* Poor judgment
* Spending sprees
* A lasting period of behavior that is different from usual
* Increased sexual drive
* Abuse of drugs, particularly cocaine, alcohol, and sleeping medications
* Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior
* Denial that anything is wrong

A manic episode is diagnosed if elevated mood occurs with three or more of the other symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for 1 week or longer. If the mood is irritable, four additional symptoms must be present.
Signs and symptoms of depression (or a depressive episode) include:

* Lasting sad, anxious, or empty mood
* Feelings of hopelessness or pessimism
* Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
* Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed, including sex
* Decreased energy, a feeling of fatigue or of being "slowed down"
* Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
* Restlessness or irritability
* Sleeping too much, or can't sleep
* Change in appetite and/or unintended weight loss or gain
* Chronic pain or other persistent bodily symptoms that are not caused by physical illness or injury
* Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts

A depressive episode is diagnosed if five or more of these symptoms last most of the day, nearly every day, for a period of 2 weeks or longer.

Not a person on this planet is free from the above, i think i am obsessed or simply insane, i dont know, i doubt i am bipolar.

Seastar, than you, you are right offcourse Mediums are there to help not hinder, please give me some links i would greatly appreciate it.

[Lord Revan]

I guess i really am bipolar, i have all they say, i can check all of the above, especially thought of suicide and death.

Boy i am a real basket case, bipola, obsessed and unstable. I wonder what i can do, i don't believe in medicine or therapy, i want to try and beat this myself first.

[Lord Revan]

Back again,

I read more on the Disorder and it is not a mental or physical illness it seems. I truely think its obsession or Varied Spiritual interference. No pills or therapy are gonna fix this (I believe so). Guess i gotta tackle it from a spiritual perspective. Well there is good news at least, i cant be held responsible for my actions, i am sick you see, so i possibly wont suffer any spiritual hell for my rescent behavior. This is just one more thing i am looking forward to being freed from once i die, this darn disorder and its fits that are making my life a whole lot more difficult.

Hey if any of you feel you are BiPolar type it below, we can become like the Dislexic community

DISLExIA RULES

So

BIPOLAR Rules

:-)

Donovan

[seastar]

Originally posted by Geoff
Dear Donovan,


But you won't get far telling spiritualists that Judas is your guide. They are all of the opinion he is in hell. Sad.


Having spiritual beliefs which are those of my own, I have and still do walked along side many whom are spiritualist, and still I have no knowledge of Judas let alone of a place which does not exsist that you refer to as hell.

There are so many wonderful spiritual/spiritualist people (as their are in any non or religious groups) out there who devote so much time and energy giving to others using their abilities as gifts to share with others.

[seastar]

Lord Revan,

Please find it within your heart to refain from speaking about those will mental illness in the manner that presents them to be negative. For your words are that which can cause damage / destruction.

Perhaps I too should give you a some links of those with mental illness of all kinds not that just of bi-polar and you will find that their is no one that uses mental illness as an excuse for them to be destructive. There is so much love that comes from them all, and its heartbreaking that many do not see that which they give. The light of the night.

[Lord Revan]

Dear Seastar

I know there is no Hell of fire and stuff, i too am a spiritualis, more advanced than ordinary spiritualists though, i know of the Celestial heavens and of Divine Love, though i don't follow it.

Hell is merely The Lower Spheres of the Spirit World, i hope to avaoid them and pass to the higher ones after my death.

On Bipolarism i was Joking, i don't blame you for being concerned and a bit serious, becuase afterall text does not show emotion, i joke alot and sometimes people think i am being VERY serious, then i hafta explain.

I still think however this disease like all mental diseases is a SPIRITUAL obsession. The mind is not the control centre of the being, the soul is , thats why i don't believe in mental disorders and medicine, you cant cure spirit obsession with antibiotics. The Age old problem with Medical science is, they want to treat the soul via the body and it just doesn't work that way.

Oh and i know where Judas is, he's in the celestial spheres and he's great. You don;t seem to know about divine love or The celestial yet, i think you find it quite (oh i dont know, we each experience it differently) elevating. A good site to visit is Geoffs, he's got all the padgett messages and some Contemporary messages. You might want to read through them to understand how we see the spiritual side of life, or you could simply chat with us here.

Your friend

Donovan

[Lord Revan]

Heres the link incase youd like to go there. Please forgive my above typing i type really fast and make a lot of mistakes.

http://new-birth.net/messageindex.htm

[Geoff]

Hi Donovan,

Well I don't know you personally, none of us do, so I have no idea whether you really might fit into bi-polar or not. But, your extreme mood swings worry me. Of course you had a bad home situation, so it's not simple. But, bi-polar typically manifests itself in early 20's, late teens. There are a variety of "types", my sister was almost never depressive, she was 95% of the time manic.

Could it have a spiritual cause? Well yes it could, and I know that you have read enough to know that it could. The problem is if you go to see a medical doctor, he will not consisder a spiritual cause. A spiritual attachment is easy (relatively) to lose. If you have the opportunity, it might we worth trying that first. While those that treat mental illness from the spiritual perspective claim that a significant number of those diagnosed as mentally ill, were only spiritually afflicted, they do not say all. There are physical causes of mental illness. And physical approaches to living sucessfully with the condition.

I am very sorry that "medium" treaded you with so much fear. I would assume she is a novice. We have to allow for this.

Much love,
Geoff.

[seastar]

Donovan,

Maybe my path does not travel via Judas or that given I believe names and labels tend to negelect that which is of an individual. For nothing is ordinary and perfect and normal are that which apply only to that of an indiviual alone. I ask for reason so I can understand the view you see, but how can celestrial heaven and that of Judas exsist in divine love that you do not follow? for surely divine love has to be found within to start with?

I do not see Mental illness is that which has general cats. that many individual get labelled even though each is different to that of another, simply because of the lack of knowledge, time, funds resources available. Not all mental illness are treated with medication, some, not many are given the other means of treatment.

Your quote:
I still think however this disease like all mental diseases is a SPIRITUAL obsession. The mind is not the control centre of the being, the soul is ,


May I suggest something that I only mean with love, that you seek within to understand that which is the soul. Maybe also search about 'charkas/auras' might also help with your seek. Then perhaps you will find that of are your own true beliefs that what you appear to see from an outter view.

I accept that say you were joking about mental illness but looking from another view, mental illness effects people from all kinds of walks of life and for them to stumble across such words especially when mental illness is not that which just effects the mind, it can have a destructive effect.

Words have no power, yet Power are words.

Like I said you have alot of love around you as do you within

[Geoff]

Dear Seastar,

Maybe my path does not travel via Judas or that given I believe names and labels tend to negelect that which is of an individual. For nothing is ordinary and perfect and normal are that which apply only to that of an indiviual alone. I ask for reason so I can understand the view you see, but how can celestrial heaven and that of Judas exsist in divine love that you do not follow? for surely divine love has to be found within to start with?

It's a little hard to follow your train of thought here. And I don't know what background you come from. There is a fairly detailed summary of our understanding of the structure of the heavens here After death (http://www.new-birth.net/booklet/GettingOut.PDF)

This particular description is not totally unique to us, but there are not many that teach there lies another "heaven" beyond the one we reach after death. This, we understand, is the "rebirth by spirit" that occurs to fit one to enter this Celestial heaven.

Much love,
Geoff.

[letloveb]

Hi Seastar,

You are so right in asserting that one should refrain from making such remarks about mental illness, it is not funny and it affects peoples life. I also agree that, most people do not use their illness as an excuse to do what they like, I for one has been suffering from epilepsy all my life, never once the thought occurred to me that I should use it as an excuse.

Dear Donova,

I think you should carry on with your spiritual investigation and do not give up asking God to help you and heal you of your illness. Speaking from experience, two years ago I received a great message from Jesus concerning my illness, although I am still in receipte of medication but have great hope that I will be healed of my illness as the Master promised me.
I say Donova, do not despair or give up in your asking for healing and light, one day all these trouble will pass away and you will be left with gratitude, and stronger and healed Donova will emerge......

Dear Geoff,

Just a thought, from time to time I also attend a spiritualist church hear in London, but to date I have not found one church that embrace the teaching of Divine Love. Last year Alan Ross came to give talk about the Padgett books and to my surprise most people did not pay attention to it. In fact from my conversation with the spiritual church leaders that I surmised that most spiritualist followers seems to think that the Padgett books are about Americans going fanatic about Jesus. It was further explained to me that, the essence of spiritualism is about giving credence to the existence of the afterlife, rather than adhering to one teaching. I am not saying this is wrong or right, but to me personally, I would have loved to participate in the teaching of Divine love as explained in the Padgett books, but to date I have not found any, if you know of any circle here in London I would love to hear about them.

With love
Bieza

[Geoff]

Dear Bieza,

I am very sorry Alan had no impact in spiritualist circles. He was determined to make a change. Funny how people have such perceptions and closed minds.

Send Jimbeau Walsh an email, he has a contact in London, who is well versed in Padgett. There is more to the story, that I will not repeat here, but you will need to be forewarned. Not about the lady, she is fine. Tell Jimbeau I suggested you contact this lady, and ask him to set you straight.

Try this email address walshj011@hawaii.rr.com or this one oceanus@hawaii.rr.com , or both!

Much love,
Geoff.

[letloveb]

Thank you Geoff for the info, I will try the link.
With love
Bieza

[Kay Ann Ray]

Dear Bieza and other seekers of Truth,

The messages from the angels are quite wonderful and enlightening. We have discovered that we can't wait for there to be a group to join in order to learn and pray. In fact, we (each and every individual soul) need to pray from our hearts (souls) to be at-One with our Creator; desire to do His will - strive to surrender our will to be in alignment with God's.

If we seek to be baptized by the Holy Spirit, we will receive Divine Love because the only "duty" of the Holy Spirit is to convey God's Grace - Divine Love - to the soul of the prayerful child.

This information about the availability of the transforming power of God's Grace, which is the Substance of His Soul, and which we can receive into our souls through our sincere and prolonged desires, through our humility and feelings of worthiness, are (in my humble opinion) of greater importance than giving credence to the existence of the afterlife.

I know that each person follows the spiritual pathway of his and her choice; I respect that and want to honor their choices. But I can honestly say that the messages from the angels have much to offer any soul seeking Truth, Love and wanting to do the will of God in their life.

Thank you for your lovely note. I also appreciated your sensitivity to my feelings as well.

May you continue to be blessed by God's great Love in answer to your seeking and longing heart.

Your friend and sister in the Christ Love, Kathryn

P.S. If you have any specific questions about the teachings, I will do my very best to give you truthful and clear answers.

[letloveb]

Dear kathryn,
Indeed, the messages from the angels alongside with heartfelt prayers do more to the soul than joining any circle. However I sometimes feel that I am alone and wish I could share my feelings with like minded people. Off course this forum has also helped me tremendously, though most of the time I tend to be a silent witness to your discussions, but nevertheless I regularly use it as my learning tools and I wish to thank you all for contributing and creating such a wonderful place of learning zone for newcomers like myself.
Thank you again for offering to help, I shall ask you all when I need clarifications on the Divine Love teachings.

With Lots of love
Bieza

[Lord Revan]

Hello again.

Well i have some better news than that wich i started this thread with. I tried to help a person whom is obsessed by an evil spirit(s) and it went OK. He was sceptical of what i told him and continually begged me to remove the spirits from him as he was tired of them controlling him and disturbing his sleep. I tried to educate him and tell him i cant just wave my hand and gone are these spirits, he attracted them through Ouija boards and Auto writing (He had no protection and never even asked for it) and now they have manifested and he cant handle them, he also says he has been diagnosed as Bipolar but he states it started since he got obsessed or as he calls it posessed. Unfortunately i could not convince him that the remedy lies with him and not me, he attracted them he has got to get rid of them. He continually asked me to send my guardian to help him, i told him i cant, and that he must change his condition and ask for higher help and think higer thoughts, once he does that the spirits will leave him and he can rest.

I do so hope he takes my advice, i decided to permanently dedicate myself to the aid of people in his position, whom through ignorance and curiosity open a door to the unknown and have invited something into their lives that has no intention to behave itself or help them. I feel so sorry for him, he pleaded with me to give him their names and to send them away, i felt so powerless.

He even out of sheer ignorance asked me to have them appear to him so he could beat them up, as you can see this poor fellow knows nothing of the spirit world and spirits, i ask you all pray for his freedom from these obsessors.

I also discovered this last week that i am not Bipolar at all. Too much typing to tell you how i did it and why i beleive so, but i may type it tomorrow. But its safe to say my mood fluctuations are caused by depression wich comes and goes with the week and spirit interference. I dedicate alot of time to receiving messages from spirits and i do this uncensored so i attract some that influence me negatively and incite me to be less loving. I offcourse regain control if i ask my Guardian to take them to a place more suited for their help than me and my Environment. Spirit messages drain me quite alot but i love the work and help all who come to me in spirit, thats why i guess i change moods so often, it depends on the company i let into my spiritual life.

Love to you all

Your Brother

Donovan

[Geoff]

Dear Donovan,

Well it will be good news if your mood swings have a purely psychic basis. That is something you can address yourself.

Actually a friend of mine this week soul travelled across Australia to remove an attachment. So it can be done that way too. A dear young girl had told us of dreadful things happening at night, including growls emanating from her, but not being her, if you understand.

As always she did not tell us the whole story, but after my friend had discovered what the attachment was, it all fell into place. I think in her case, it would have been very hard for her to remove, because she did not identify the reason why it had happened. And had not forgiven herself of that issue. So she had not healed, and in effect left an opening for a wandering spirit.

Much love,
Geoff.

[Lord Revan]

how did he travel like that, i would love to learn that ability.

and yes i know that can work but i obvously cant send my soul to that person, i cant do it but i know others can.

And on the growl i understand perfectly, its like direct voice phenomenon but eminates in the voice box of the obsessed instead of a trumpet and Ecto voice box. Some mediums can have diffirent Gender spirit voices coming from them too.

Donovan

[Geoff]

Dear Donovan,

how did he travel like that, i would love to learn that ability.

Well he only travels when his guides take him somewhere, usually to do something. There are folks that can take themselves off, called OBE, but I think it's a lot safer when your guides are in control. I have come across some dreadful experiences folks that OBE have had. And most of them end up more confused than we are.

Much love,
Geoff.

[Lord Revan]

I read up on how to induce an OBE, it's both easy and frustrating at the same time, been trying all day when i get the urg to, but no success.

I wonder where i can go and what i can do. I suppose limitation is only mental and i sure would love to go read some peoples minds to know more about them and what they are really like, a few family members in particular.

When i OBE i'll tell you all of it if you are interrested.

Love

Donovan

[Geoff]

Dear Donovan,

i wonder where i can go and what i can do. I suppose limitation is only mental and i sure would love to go read some peoples minds to know more about them and what they are really like, a few family members in particular.

You won't be able to do that, as far as I am aware. And, I suggest that if you are thinking about doing some of the things that are possible, but which would be absolutely contrary to anyone's free will, you are going in the wrong direction buddy. You can do things in your normal state that will incur spiritual penalty, and you sure can while in an OBE too. Not a good plan, IMHO. If you set out to achieve OBE with such bad intentions, you really are looking for trouble, IMHO. Remember the Law of Attraction. If your intent is bad, you will attract bad stuff.

I am being vague here, deliberately. If you don't know what I am talking about, I am not about to tell you, or anyone else.

Much love,
Geoff.

[Lord Revan]

Thats not Vague at all, i know what you are saying, TRUST ME

Some people claim they can give others nightmares and learn their deepest secrets when they OBE. I am not SET on doing it, but knowledge is power and power frees me from the bonds of Humanity.

Boy i sound real sinister with the above line, but believe me i am quite gentle and really don't mess with peole alot, i do like to use ADVANCED persuasive techniques to get what i want. Did it a few days ago, got a game Priced at R350 for only R200, the guy barely made any profit. I am studying Mental control and on the spot hypnotism and persuasion. I can even make people forget things that you usually don't forget.

It's amazing what you can learn when you desire to. I'll share some of my abilities later with you guys.

Cheers

[victors]

Donovan

Be careful !!!

When I was 18 I tried to manipulate a girl. Problem was when everything did not go my way I was still 'connected' and as I got negative her life turned to soup. I somehow got punished and had the perception that it is not good to manipulate people. One day you do it for good the next day it comes back bad. Free will must be respected. When you manipulate someone you do not really let them do something they do not want to do, rather you suggest things that they eventually turns into an action from their side. Not a good idea. This I did over a few kilometers. One of the ten commandments is right, do not wish for your neighbor's stuff. With the right 'development' you will confuse his/her's free will.

I knew this one girl. She would pray for the downfall of another person. She did this with extreme conviction. Why? I don't really know. How is it going with her these days? Well, bad. Her family is on average quite healthy. She has developed severe back problems, over weight, very, very bad headaches and they can't really operate because of her diabetes. The freaky part is that the people she 'prayed' negatively for did suffer. Bad things would happen to them. But it came back, maybe 10 fold.

Read the book "Think and grow rich", by Napoleon Hill. This guy (early 1900's) states that if you desire riches it will come to you. This you can take in a good or bad light. If you desire to make a enough money to live in comfort with your family you will probably achieve this. Also if you want to make as much money as Bill Gates you will also get quite close. The problem is when do your desires become to 'evil', for a lack of a better word?

All your money you earn/get comes from profits made off other people's backs.

None of what we do is innocent. People pay interest on loans because they cannot afford to pay cash. Even if they pay cash they still pay more than the store owner. A prominent company, over here in SA, (at one stage) used child labor to grind a diamond in the basic shape. The process takes long and the eventual payment was about $1 (this now in India). Not even to speak about the hard life getting the stuff out of the ground. By the time you pay for the diamond, many steps later, it is easy to forget the back breaking pain of the intermediary steps and profits made on them.

Having the power to reduce the add-on-profit that you have to pay, getting people to treat you like royalty, etc, eventually makes you worse than the bible's 'devil'. This is the opposite of love. We tend to flip 180 degrees. You cannot project love while taking food out of someone's mouth.

So back to Donovan. What you are really getting right is maybe more telepathy and suggestion control rather than hypnotism and persuasion. If someone freely gives you something for less or free it might be them that is controlling you ;-) Ssomeone said "there is nothing like a free meal...". Are you doing it? If so you are probably NOT alone. You have attracted bad spirits that will now prime your next victim and continue to impant suggestions until he/she gives in. Or you have the power yourself. In the latter case rather use the ability to get someone to pray for Divine Love, not for part of his bread.

Have to Go

Love you lots

Victor Schutte

[Lord Revan]

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will never consider a free meal, i'm the type that would starve to death in a monestry, because i wont so much as ask for a slice of bread if i don't have any, i HATE asking things of people, i don't borrow money and i don't ask for help, olny advice wich is different as people give it so FREELY at times.

Victor i see a lot of people making money off the things i am very good at, guitarists, race car drivers, technicians, recording artists, mechanics and many many other things. I don;t make squat because i do it for people freely, i build up my friends PC for free and i record backing tracks for my Dad free of charge and i usually sell my things pretty cheaply, so i am a bargain waiting to happen. It sucks to give without receiving, but i am building all i can never have here in the spirit world through my deeds, so i will maybie one day know what it's like to work. Because right now i'm a slave, i work for no compensation or reward, sometimes i do get some money for my effort and i do appreciate the consideration NOT THE MONEY.

I don't control people at will, but some weak-minded youth is an easy target, or some self wise and all important adult arrogant. I play with such people so easily and they feel really Inadequit when in a room with me, because nothing they can bring up is ever out of my field, i know alot of things about a lot of things and people dont like a smart ass. It's their insecurity and i must pay for it, i gotta be anti-social because social people don't know squat and let others do their thinking for them.

I think for myslelf and people in general hate that, they cant talk with me, and when they do its on something like opera or sport wich i know little to nothing of (HA HA HA we beat the OSSIES in RUGBY for the tri-nations cup
- Yeah SOUTH AFRICA Yeah)

Victor, suggestion to pray for DL is one thing i wont do. I don't advise people to pray or belive in things that i dont pray for or believe in. I have had a 4th spherian spirit from back in the days when biting a coin was the way to verify authenticity, impress me with some of his views and comments. His remarks on DL is STUNNING, he is ANTI DL and brings up good arguments on why it according to him and others is a lie and not all it is said to be, i'll type it in full and add it to the Inspired messages section, trust me an independent seeker of truth wanting to know if they should follow DL or not, will find his remarks and questions VALID and it surely has helped convince me that DL is MAN MADE if it exists AT ALL that it has suffered severe deformation in the minds of those through whom it came (Like Padgett). I know you all may give a damn about what some 4th spherian from ages far gone has to say from a purely intellectual and proven fact based perspective, but i gotta post it for those that want to see the other side of the Divine Love coin.

Some people are sheep, blindly and unknowingly following the whistle of the sheopard, i on the other had walk in oneness of thought and in continual contemplation and i rely on no REVELATION to save my bacon i save it myself.

love to all

Donovan