cults

[jrm13]

I am moved by my love to discuss something that I feel is most serious and detrimental,not only to the Kingdom but to those who perpetrate it! There are those who will question my authority to discuss this and there will be those that think I am somewhat of a hypocrite for discussing it.

Because I care not much for what others think, even those who belong to this board, I will give my opinion anyway. I have always preached open-mindedness and fair play up in here, and have been against banning anyone from this board, until perhaps now.

In this I have been wrong and I humbly apologize for that. I appreciate the wisdom of souls like Kathryn S. for recognizing danger when they see it and sounding the alarm. Our souls are very important to us all and we owe it to our brothers and sisters to care about one another's souls.

I hate like h to cast aspersions upon anyone but it seems like there is a certain movement that is attracting more and more members and they are using people up in here and trying to attract people up in here. Lower spirits are real and they prey upon the weak-minded and weak-minded. They are spiritual predators and care not for others' (or their own) souls.

Great will be the compensation of those who attack the Kingdom of God and those who seek to serve it! Not that Jesus or any of the other celestials are worried for their love is so great others lights are but a candle to the sky! Nonetheless, mortals are endangered by lower spirits and are subject to influence by them.

As the Bible says they will come as sheep dressed in wolves' clothing. They will invite others to their houses to sup and try to consume them when they arrive unwittingly. They will pretend to embrace the true teachings of Jesus and instead believe in evil theories of reincarnated messiahs and apostles!

Watch out for these pretenders who would steal your soul by appealing to your need for attention, ego-stroking, material needs etc. They are posting right here on this board every day. much peace and love jj

[Amada Reza]

Dear John,

I believe everyone on this board has equal rights to share their opinions. There is no “authority” but that of God’s Divine Love in our souls and our own conscience as we attempt to align our thoughts, desires, and will to God’s Will. We actually did collectively decide to ban someone based on the need to keep some particularly sensitive comments in a private vs. public session; but that was only one instance. I like to try to keep my heart and mind open to different views, and welcome the opportunity to share my own feelings.

Your cautionary message makes me reflect upon my own thoughts and motives in posting what I do, and to realize the importance of my intentions and how I bend my will. Is it to love and only love or is it to convince others that I am “right.” Truth and where it is “firm” is a tricky line to walk because we are not the judge of any person’s soul, only our own. Firming up my walk with God’s Love is my 100% focus – my health and well being depend upon it, and I feel it offers the best example to those I love.

Yes, there are low spirits whose intentions are not the “highest and best” but each of us answer to the laws, and truth will win out with its eternal light guiding us into safe harbor. Truth never fails us because it is constant and steady and does not bend to human whims.

I acknowledge that it is saddening to see some persuaded by certain allurements of the mind. My dear friend shared a quote with me today that seems particularly apropos: Hold on to hope like it is the last light in the world.

I would like clarification on your last paragraph: Watch out for these pretenders who would steal your soul by appealing to your need for attention, ego-stroking, material needs etc. They are posting right here on this board every day. I am not sure you mean someone who is currently posting on the board, every day …

All my love to you, dear brothers and sisters,

Amy

[doug]

I can empathize with your concerns about people being led astray from the true gospel, John. But then when I remember that 99.99999% of the population has been "led astray" to some degree since Jesus first preached the gospel 2000 years ago, I become a little more philosophic about the whole thing. If Jesus can look down on the earth and see 4000 different religions all teaching something other than what he taught, and not freak out about it, then I guess I can try to accept it as well.

I can surmise that Jesus values free will above everything else; he absolutely and completely honors the free will choice of the Hindu, the Muslim, the Jew, the Buddhist, to follow the teachings of whomsoever they choose. And so, ironically, if we truly want to follow Jesus, we must become very comfortable with allowing others the freedom to choose not to follow Jesus -- or, as is sometimes the case, to not follow our Jesus.

There are millions of Christians on earth who are quite certain that they are following the real Jesus, and who would not hesitate to tell us that our Jesus is an imposter. And then there are millions of Muslims who would not hesitate to tell us that the Prophet Muhammad's teachings were intended to supersede the teachings of Jesus. And on and on and on.

And then some of these folks get so intent about these disagreements that they feel the need to exterminate humans who disagree with them. And though I'm sure that Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, and Gautama are all united in denouncing these "holy wars" that have been waged through the centuries in their names, yet I'm sure they're also united in their understanding that each of God's children are free to believe and behave as they choose.

In my own heart and soul, what I believe to be the truth is that God allows us each to believe as we choose to believe. I believe I've been blessed to be able to discover the true gospel that Jesus revealed to humankind, and I'm eager to share that with anyone who wishes to learn of it. But again, the irony is that if I'm to live the truth of the true gospel, I must learn to graciously yield to anyone who chooses to believe in something else...

[Dan Bowman]

To all of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Before I begin, let us pray.

Dear Heavenly Father, it is with the greatest of desire that we come to you in this moment and seek Your Love above all things. It is within your Divine Love that we may find your truth for which we pray upon a matter that is of great concern to many at this time. Please reveal -Your- truth to us.

As some of you may know, I was invited to meet with Do Nuygen amd W.A. Sowle in Dallas, Tx. this past weekend. W.A. was coming to Texas from Oregon to help his son with his business as we were invited to meet at the home of Do and Theri Nuygen. Several days before our gathering, I recieved an e-mail from Do, as he wanted to share with me some of the correspondences he had recieved from Alan John Miller and wanted to discuss his revelation and join in on a conference call with Alan John from Australia on Sunday evening. My first responce to this, was, O' Lord, they want to recruit me. You can imagine the feelings that were going on within me as it was with some trepidation that I went on Sunday. I asked myself. why are you going? I found in my heart that I went because I was guided by my Heavenly Father. Perhaps, I was the only one that could have gone, because my heart was pure & devoid of negativity towards Alan John Miller.

When I met Do and Theri Nuygen & W.A. at their lovely home in Southlake, Tx., it was a first time for all of us to meet each other outside of the internet. Do & Theri have a beautiful home with many incredible paintings, one of which is of Jesus holding a baby lamb, my favorite. There was another beauty though, as the love of Do and Theri and their children, Vu and Amy was very warm and comfortable for me. Whatever apprehension I may have had before arriving was quickly dispelled by the incredible love I felt from them.

For those of you have never met W.A., I hope you get the opportunity as he is a gem of a man. His sincerity and heart nature shines so brightly, that I was truly in the company of some very loving and spiritual people.

The subject of Alan John came up in short order, as each of us was asked to share our thoughts and feelings about his "new revelation", to be the reincarnation of Jesus. In respect to Do and W.A., if they choose to share their views with you, I believe that I should leave that to them. However, it is with you that I share my own. This is what I said.

I learned of the teachings of the Divine Love about 33 years ago, when I was invited to the study/prayer group that George & Katherine & Amy formed in Santa Cruz, Ca. The truth, that was conveyed through James Padgett from Jesus and the Celestials, hit a chord within me that has resonated ever since. The test of truth, as taught to us by Jesus, is to adopt as a criteria that which you deem as the truth & to act upon it, as if it is the truth & in time, that which is truth will stick with you and that which is not will fall away. I have always marveled at how the truth of the Divine Love has stuck to me like glue, when all of the other stuff that I have read, studied and pursued has never endured. The truth of the Divine Love has had staying power for me, & therefore is a truth.

I submitted to Do, W.A. & John Miller, that I do not believe that Alan John Miller is the reincarnation of Jesus. Why? Because, my Jesus has come to me for many years now & has whispered in the ear of my heart and has expressed his deep love leads me to the Father. Since Jesus cannot be in two places at the same time, in the Celestial Heavens and in the form of Alan John, then one of us is decieved. When I submitted this to Alan John, he replied that there are many imposter spirits who claim to be Jesus & often times we may mistake our spirit guides to be Jesus because our mediumistic abilities may be lacking in perception. So for the benefit of doubt, I am willing for a moment to accept that maybe I am decieved & perhaps it was another spirit I felt who came to me.

Alan John told me that he learned of the Padgett messages in May 2004. I thought, my, a mere babe. He said that he has had regular visions of the experiences of Jesus' life in Palestine nearly 2000 years ago. My reply to him is that many who puport to be the reincarnation of another who can have incredible recall, are merely bonded with that spirt as they are seeing the thoughts of another. His reply, was that he thought the same thing, however if he were not the reincarnation of Jesus, then in his prayers and aspirations for truth, that if it were not true, that it would fall away and if it were true, it would increase. The argument is a sound one, however I was still not convinced.

By the way, my conversation with Alan John, though direct was filled with love, dignity and respect as I must admit, that he is a most likeable chap. His ability to spend over two hours in a Q & A session & maintain perfect fluidity in his responces & maintain a composure as a gentleman had my profound respect and admiration.

I further told Alan John, that when Jesus wrote to Padgett, we would sometimes have confirmation by the Apostles as to the authenticity of Jesus. I asked Alan John, what confirmation to your claims do you have? His reply was that soon the world will come to know him as miracles and confirmation of who he is will come. What was interesting to me though, was that he said that this confirmation will come to those that believe. That sounds like the fox watching the hen house. Both Do and W.A. have weathered their own doubts about all of this and yet it has their attention and for them, they pray, watch and listen and they like what they hear. Alan John's writings on emotional clearing are most interesting & I believe are worthy of study, however as to my beliefs about his claim to be the Messiah, I have my doubts.

My Jesus, would have prayed with me when I met him for the first time. We did not pray. We prayed over the food that was served at our meals however none of us prayed together for our Father's Love. When we joined together with Alan John on a conference call, it was all about him, as we did not pray together for our Father's Love.

A cult? The definition of a cult is: a system of religious beliefs and practices.
What we share together as a Divine Love moment is a cult to some who are on the outside looking at us. Labels are terribly unfare & for the lack of true understanding we label something as a cult. Spiritual veneration for another: yes, I see an incredible veneration for Alan John becasue he gives to his followers something they are looking for: spiritual leadership and answers and guidance in their quest for their own souls transformation. I believe that Alan John believes in his heart of hearts that he is Jesus and he wants to prove it to us. Alan John, I love you, but miracles will never prove to me who you are. You must lead others to the Father. Since you did not pray with me to the Father for His Divine Love, I am futher convinced that you are not whom you say you are. My Jesus would have prayed with me. This whole trip is not about Jesus, it is about the Father. Jesus is not the one, it is all about the Father. Amen.

[jrm13]

I was moved to say what I did and I am not moved to say anymore lol. It was a loving message to my brothers and sisters who are not yet sure what path they want to take. I owe it to them to influence them in a loving way! I have read the Padgett messages now for 30 years and have been praying for 30 as well.

That makes me somewhat of an authority as a mortal to comment on the truths contained in the messages and what they portend to wo/mankind. I know full well what kind of spiritual condition it takes to channel Jesus. Think about it! This is the highest angel, by far, in all the Kingdom. Do you honestly think those who have only been praying years not decades, can sit down and talk to him as though he were an equal.

I know everyone wants to be nice and diplomatic etc but I'm more interested in telling it like it is.ONce in a while, when I am full of the Love, I will receive snippets of information from the angels. That's it! This is not to say that there are not channels within this group that can and do channel Jesus quite clearly.

I believe there are and I believe most of us know who they are. I just think that those who try to deceive others will pay a great price, that is all. I don't think it behooves us to get too personal up in here as that hurts peoples' feelings. peace and love to all jj

[Kay Ann Ray]

Dear divine folks,

As we continue to pray for God's Love and seek truth with sincerity, speaking for myself anyway, I try to become more loving and accepting of everyone's free will choices. I believe what the angels say about, *the best way we have of leading truth seekers onto the Path of Love is to demonstrate It in our lives.*

I feel that it is important to acknowledge that our dear brother Jesus, all throughout his ministry on earth and since becoming a spirit, turns seekers of truth and all his followers' attention to God, the Creator of our souls. Making it exceedingly clear that one must go to The Source to receive the Substance of Love; the seeking soul must pray to God for Mercy and for desires to know the Truth.

So if we wish to emulate the ministry of our dear elder brother, we'll need to turn anyone, who may tend to follow our example, to the Heavenly Father, for He alone has the power to transform our souls into divine beings. Only our prayers to this Higher Power, the Creator of the universe, will bring to us the Substance of Love which will enable us to become Celestial angels.

I agree with Dan, that anyone representing the teachings of Jesus will always turn all brothers and sisters to God, the Source of Love, in order to fulfill their potential to progress above the natural heavens, to activate the highest potential of their souls. They will explain that their gifts and powers have been given to them by God, through their prayers to Him for enlightenment, for salvation and for fulfillment of their dreams of joy and happiness.

God blesses us each and every one. It is up to us to reach out and take hold of God's hand and allow these blessings to sink into our hearts and souls, so we can be lifted up above the limitiations of earths foreboding atmosphere, and hopefully not be influenced to be negative in any way. For it is only through Love that we will be able to change the world into a more peaceful place in which to live.

Let's give our love and know that it will help to bring peace into the world.

I hope you all are having a peaceful and love-filled day. With love, your sister in Christ, Kathryn

[DTNguyen]

To all that I have come to know and love:

This past Sunday was very special for all of us with the company of WA and Dan, who drove some three hours to be with us. I find Dan to be incredibly open and honest and thus, he makes it very easy for us to welcome, to embrace, and to love him. The same can be said about WA as he would greet you with opened arms and to hug you tightly as his way to show his love. We truly enjoy the visit and the many topics that we shared. You are always welcome in our home.

Regarding AJ as Alan John Miller, I had my doubts initially and I wrote to him to express my doubts. At the same time, I felt and told AJ that if he is who he is as claimed, then I hope that he will be able to help me come closer to our Father and to obtain more of His Love. And as my soul progresses, I am certain that I will come to know him as who he truly is and that, I don’t have to rely on my belief nor will he have to prove to me who he is as claimed. I would like to borrow the quote as stated in the Padgett Messages and quoted by AJ in his writing tittled, “Qualities of Truth.”

]“Truth is of itself, a thing apart, and admits of no variations or modifications, and, hence, the minds of men must submit to and embrace Truth; it will never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men. One is fixed and unchangeable, and the other is always, changeable, and until founded on a knowledge of the Truth, will at sometime or other have to change, because in the end Truth will be established in the hearts and minds of men, so that harmony and peace shall reign in all God’s universe.”[/[/B]I]

And so my dear brother AJ has been doing just that. On a few occasions that I conversed with him, we have never started the conversation with a prayer for Divine Love. But that is OK with me since praying for Divine Love is a very private matter for me and I prefer to pray by myself and only with my Father since it is a Divine moments for me and for me only, and perhaps also, it requires of me a process to get into my soul condition, which may take some time for me to do and not always successful either, especially when I am tire or exposed to a lot of negativities. But what I have learned and experienced from AJ has been in that his teaching shows how I needed to correct my internal (wrong) conceptions and beliefs and to face all my negative emotions within my soul with the Love of our Father. And boy there were a lot of emotions. As AJ explained, our Father always loves me and all my brothers and sisters regardless of our conditions and His Love is always ready to flow when we can come to HIM with a true soul longing for His Love. But since our soul has been injured and consisted with so much negative emotions, it prevents us from making that connection with His Holy Spirit to allow His Love to flow into our soul being. And so, AJ has been very loving and patient as he loves me and Theri and others and patiently has been encouraging us to love ourselves and to work on releasing our negative emotions and to pray more for God’s Love. Only this way can we obtain more of our Father’s Love.

In reading your post, dear Dan, I realize that you are correct that AJ has never offered for us to pray for God’s Love together. On the other hand, I have never asked him to lead me in prayer for God’s Love. But as I read your post the second time, I also realize that AJ has been guiding and walking me and Theri and others every step in our desire for God’s Love. I know I can feel so much more now and I could feel God’s Love more so than before. I could also feel AJ’s love for me and for so many others including you and you and you….So, as I feel AJ with my soul’s feelings, my doubts about who he is also becoming clear in that the source of my doubts were from my own distrust and errors, which are parts of all my negative emotions, wrong beliefs and misconceptions. The more he walks me closer to God and to obtain more of our Father’s Love, the more I trust and love him and his claim becomes clearer and more evident that he is the loving Jesus and our loving brother. Yes, I embrace him with all my love.

Before I end my post for now, I want for you to know that the following quotes are not directed at you personally. But as I read the last part of your post, the following verses came to mind from Matthew 6:1-10

[I]6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

With all my love I am your brother and friend.

PS. I hope I will not be banned from this forum.

[jrm13]

Since so many souls yearn for Love, and since their longings are captured and twisted into religion by lower spirits, mortal and otherwise, there will always be these charlatans looking for their prey in the name of religion, using God as their magic word to gain a hold in some poor souls' life. And since they go after so many, they will always catch some in their net.

Sad,but true.I don't worry so much for the caught prey, I worry for the predator. What price he will pay for daring to call himself The Master. Woe betide the individual who betrays his brothers and sisters. The one who calls himself agnostic or athiestic is better off than this individual. I pray for this soul who chooses to call himself the Master.

[InkyWhip]

Do,

I am glad that you replied to Dan's post, especially since W.A. is largely
absent from the board altogether.

I am also interested to find that those things which you have discussed thus
far are also items which have frequently been discussed here, and that the
advice and help which Alan John has given you seems both to be useful for
you, and in a spirit of Divine Love.

Though I am aware that, in other matters, there is significant disagreement,
lately I seem to be 'counseled' by my own guides to adopt a view which is in
agreement with their own: take good where you can find it, and where the
focus is on encouraging others to seek, pursue and develop Divine Love in
their souls. All other matters are small (even war...see Msg. of the Week) and
can be worked out later.

True, my concern is more largely that the differences which are present
between what I have learned, and what Alan John has posited, at least what
has been shared thus far, is that his doctrines and alterations of the Truths
present in the Padgett messages will actually turn more folk away from both
the messages, and the essential truth of Divine Love than they will attract.
I am quite sure that such would be said of myself. However I would venture
that the Angels are not too concerned about the particulars that I find
offputting.

So, please continue to measure Truth by the agreement you find in your soul,
and I am sure that you will both grow in Love, and lead others to Love.

Inky

[DTNguyen]

Hello Inky,

Thank you for your encouraging words and your sharing the positive advice from your spirit friends. You have a kind and gentle heart, my friend and at the same time, I feel there are doubts and to some degree fear in your words, which are still with me also to some extent.

At this present time, I feel that it is not important for us to discuss whether we believe this or that. I feel it is more important that we continue to pray for more of our Father's Love to flow into our souls, and also just as important that we should spend some time loving our Heavenly Father, as it will bring HIM joy when His children can feel HIS Love and to come to love HIM back.

As parents, we love our children and would do all we can to make them happy. How happy it is when our children reallized the love and expressed their love for their parents. Similarly, as you love your wife with all your heart, how wonderful it is to feel her love in return and vice versa.

Let us love and be loved by our Heavenly Father and all shall be revealed as planned by HIM.

With my love, I am your friend and brother.

[Amada Reza]

At this present time, I feel that it is not important for us to discuss whether we believe this or that. I feel it is more important that we continue to pray for more of our Father's Love to flow into our souls, and also just as important that we should spend some time loving our Heavenly Father, as it will bring HIM joy when His children can feel HIS Love and to come to love HIM back.

Let us love and be loved by our Heavenly Father and all shall be revealed as planned by HIM.

Dear Brother Do,

I am encouraged by the thought that we may put aside the differences of what we believe and focus on our soul's relationship with God. This is where the seeming magic of love can put us in touch with what we share - our desire to become at-one with the Soul of God.

I send you and your family all my prayers for you to realize your goals!

Love to you,

Amy

[Mark]

Dear brother John,

When confronted with the whole AJ business, I have experienced a renewed sense of confidence; faith even, one might say. Because I realized that, as I stand alone in my faith towards the belief of others, I am apparently not so easily derailed. I find that I am still standing. And easily so, actually.

Soul perception is like X-Ray vision. It allows you to see 'through' the exterior of things, beyond words, beyond flattery, beyond the pushing of buttons, and beyond manipulation. It allows you to see things for what they really are. And judgement does not really play into it.

Soul perception gives you distance. I have feelings on the AJ matter. And I have expressed those feelings, too. But underneath emotion and worry flows an undercurrent of faith; not a belief per se that everything will be alright, but faith in its truest sense of having interior knowledge of the Truth; that, as the Angels say, everything around you may change -- and, in fact, invariably will -- but that Truth remains that steady rock, a wave breaker that every current, up or down, will have to adjust to in passing.

The Padgett messages -- or rather, what they stand for -- are that rock for me. And as I become part of Truth itself, I realize that I too, in a small manner yet, become a rock of my own; not one for others to build on yet, perhaps, but a rock nonetheless, in that I feel untruth and falsehood bounce off of me, no longer shaping me, no longer pushing me out of the way or swaying me to this or that side. And as I write these words to you, John, I remember the Odist in the Odes of Solomon saying a similar thing -- but better than I, of course -- put in the mouth in the of Jesus:

Ode 31

But I stood undisturbed like a solid rock, which is continuously pounded by columns of waves and endures.
And I bore their bitterness because of humility; that I might redeem my nation and instruct it.
And that I might not nullify the promises to the patriarchs, to whom I was promised for the salvation of their offspring.

There comes a time, as the messages say, when every soul, in its strength or weakness, will have to stand on his own. And needless to say, I am not Jesus (although, in light of this thread, how needless is it really?). But in a sea of untruth, dear brother John, I tell you I am still standing. So, fear not, dear brother; for the rock which is growing inside of us, even if still the size of a pebble perhaps, is unshakeable.

Hallelujah!


Your brother in Christ,

- Mark

[jrm13]

dearest brother mark: I have read your message but will re read as it is a lot to ponder. I feel your good will and I thank you for that, humbly. I appreciate so much that you took the time to address me personally.

Perhaps the message here is, I need to worry more about my own soul than someone else's and I dig the message. Thank you. your brother in christ john

[jrm13]

dearest Mark

as promised I have re read your post addressed to me and these are my thoughts. We always want to be open to love from people for if we are not, it will also affect our ability to receive God's Love. The same love that people give often comes from God. As my son Aaron defines love, 'love is something that comes from God and is shared by two people" Pretty good huh?

If we doubt another's sincerity and or love, it also frustrates their satisfaction in the giving somewhat, although they will still receive blessings from God in their giving.

Also, seeing the best in others, even if they may be somewhat insincere (aren't we all at times?) brings our their own divinity and helps them immensely in their progression. Don't we want to help others? So let's try to see the best in them. much peace and love jj

[baddog]

I am with you my friend. This group is nothing but a cults.

They are really sick. They need help.

baddog.

[Dan Bowman]

Actually, a cult has a cult leader. We have no leaders as we are all directed by our Heavenly Father. Do you have a relationship with God, Baddog?

Dan

[jrm13]

um dan i dont think he is referring to this board as being a cult but rather the aj movement.

[Dan Bowman]

Oh, my mistake.

[jrm13]

you are forgiven my son go and sin thou no more

[baddog]

I believe in GOD but not crazy enough to believe in some guy claims he is Jesus.

Baddog.

[jrm13]

good for you baddog except i hope the real jesus lol